Hugo Mujica, Argentine Poet Visiting Chile - 'La Vida Nos Acatece'
During these days he was conducting the conference "El saber del no saberse", in Santiago and Concepción, activities managed by the U.C. de Concepción and by the poet and editor Andrea Campos Parra. The center of his life is poetry as a creative attitude, he is interested in the creative act, he affirms: "... it is the mystery of what is not and suddenly it takes form and is something, we were not and we appear". He is also a thinker, writes essays, studied Philosophy, Philosophical Anthropology, Theology, Fine Arts and painted for many years. He made a path of spirituality, making a vow of silence for more than seven years in a monastery, with this combination combines a language mixing aesthetics, thought and mysticism.
Poetry thought as a synthesis of ideas, emotions and concepts, do you think poetry can be further reduced?
No doubt there are many poems. I wrote a poem that I aspire can be read aloud and not be heard, because perfection itself, like beauty itself, is so perfect that it does not show. Silence is also an expression, when one reaches silence, silence speaks, but it is not that one says something, but that one perceives something in that silence. I think of the original silence of when we are born, Aristotle defines man as the animal that speaks, but it is not, because when we are born we do not speak, what we do bring as a faculty is the power to listen and from the outside the community gives us the language . The most original is to be open to a reality that occurs, silence is prior to the word for us.
Would the active exercise of living it be listening?
My experience of those seven years of silence, is that one becomes a listener, because silence does not exist, one says I make silence, silence is there, I do not do anything, I let it be manifested.
Do you let life appear to you too?
It is mutual, it is in that encounter when creativity happens.
What factors would influence to generate these mutual interventions?
I would say being vulnerable, letting ourselves be affected so that it happens to us, but we understand everything as we are the doers that intervene in life and our will is what makes it.
So, do not we control our life?
- Let us first think that our life was given to us and it will be taken from us, if one thinks that the first and last act does not depend on our will, you will realize that we live in illusion, the same happens with love, I can not choose love, I can not say since I'm in Chile I'm going to fall in love, it's something that happens to you, we can say yes or no, we are passive to life, with the illusion that we are the ones who are doing it.
But the world community is controlling us.
The society is made object subject. The current control is the technique, in the middle age the control was greater, that God saw you and if he looked at you he knew what you thought, that within an ecclesial discourse and power. There was always a dominant discourse that we call reality and that is changing, that we need to deconstruct, so that you can choose life and not swallow the life they chose for you.
Is there an imaginary world that saves us?
Without imagination life would be a veneer and you would be only flesh and bones, we love the world, the world is data, it makes sense that you put it, we live a time of disenchantment, of the death of God and those stories that excited life. If man had not imagined it would have been eaten by lions, because we are the most vulnerable animal there is. However, someone imagined that repeating small sounds in front of the same things was understood with others and so the language was born, which is the most basic technology that we invented, after someone came up with drawings of that and writing was born, we are constantly generating these constructions to support us on two legs.
Is the topic of intimate thought with you, inside you, a conversation?
My bet is the forgetting of oneself and the discourse with oneself, because it can be eternal, the discourse is eternal, the head always works as the heart beats, you have to leave that place, you have to forget yourself. We live in a narcissistic time, that's why our science is psychoanalysis, to which I go and I am the center of the world and I tell my problem, but that discourse is still the mind and what you have to do is get away from the mind, looking for another place in oneself from which to be.
How can you know that you got away from the mind?
There are a thousand technologies, the whole spiritual world and meditation, which uses the breath as verticality against the horizontality of the mind. There are forms, the mind will continue to function but the focus of your attention is no longer on the mind's flow.
Is moving away from the mind another vulnerability for life to happen to us?
Of course, the mystic is the one who manages to break the dichotomy between the object subject and feels that life is him, you feel a wave but of an ocean.
Do you think that human beings are gods and we are undervalued?
The great lack of this time is that we lost touch with life, we are in the functionality of the system, the greatness we have lost is to touch life, we call it having lost the meaning of life, the meaning of life is To feel it, when life touches you, a creativity with meaning and desire to live is generated.
It was always like this?
Yes, although there were always people who left the system and are those that generate news, ideas, works, there are always people in that mesh goes through a hole.
You were at the Woodstock Festival?
Did you see the film?
Yes. At first I appear with my Indian guru. For me Woodstock is the funeral of the 60s and as the system swallowed hippism and the counterculture, Woodstock cost ten million dollars, which would be a hundred million now, that money was not for the hippies, someone said that this is good, let's put it on a stage and fill ourselves with silver. The mythical idea of the 60s in the USA was that creativity and freedom could return, where the Saxon society expressed its feelings, touching was a novelty for them and something mythical.
Your silence of seven years provokes in the people an encounter with the lost paradise, the people see the freedom that does not have in you, but the question is: if they cut with the system to be free could they fall into disgrace and ruin themselves?
That taught you to think the system, it's me or the chaos.
Does freedom have a super high cost?
And a prize higher than the cost. Freedom is nudity too, what the monastic life gave me was to strip me of the system, my teacher the first two years told me: Every day he goes to the forest, what do I do? I asked him: - Nothing and you do not pray because otherwise you will feel that you are doing something. Because the idea was to learn that life is, not to feel that we are doing it.
Is it possible that we all do that?
Absolutely, but we are colonized by a system that put us to work, people are proud to work twelve hours, to exploit themselves.
Do you think that freedom is a job?
Yes, I read ten hours a day, for me it is very serious to write and it is a pleasure, I do not see it as work because it is the concretion of what I feel as a link with life.
Being a poet is a function in social gears?
Mysteriously yes, bring to the presence certain speeches that are not sold, that is not systematic, be a witness to silence, it is very rare, but if there were no witnesses of things that are not those that appear in supermarkets , we would forget about other dimensions of ourselves, the artist is not someone special, he is someone who made his profession that creative dimension, but we all have it, and to capture it objectively arouses in everyone that memory that we are all creators, and the possibility of choosing that way.
He has published more than twenty books and numerous personal anthologies published in fifteen countries; Some of his books have been published in English, French, Italian, Greek, Portuguese, Bulgarian, Slovenian, Romanian and Hebrew.